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Any of you use copolymer line?   Was thinking Izor, McCoys or P-line Flouroclear to give a try.  Got a bit tired of stretch with fluorocarbon and nylon lines.  I don't particularly care for braid.  I've used nylon line for many many moons and I get along with it pretty well except for loads of memory and abrasion. The Fluorocarbon has serious memory problems, cheap to expensive, and it also has considerable stretch. I do like the light refraction and sensitivity benefits though.

Been reading a lot about copolymers and it may be best of both worlds.  Here's a link to Tackle Tour testing.  http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfluorocarbontestpg6.html  

Kinda long and a few years old but seems pertinent to me.  But the conclusion was:

Conclusion: We know, we know, you want more. Like how about an actual winner? or How about an impact test? or How about the best knot to use with fluorocarbons? or How about memory? What was that again? oh yeah, memory... Our goal with this article was not a comprehensive test and winner take all comparison. Rather it was to build the foundation for a series of more intensive, individual on the water reviews where we hope to address the remaining issues for some, but perhaps not all, of the lines presented. In other words, consider this our fluorocarbon culling system. In these individual tests, we will look more closely at factors such as memory, handling, castability, and even that actual degree by which each line seems to be affected by water absorption - if at all. For now, realize that we were able to validate some myths (water absorption, abrasion resistance) debunk others (low stretch), and at least, call to question the claims of still more (poor knot strength) when compared against a popular and widely used monofilament like Berkley's Trilene XL. So stay tuned as we take some of these spools, order others, and line our reels enroute to restarting and renewing TackleTour's line review department. Until then, tight lines!

Would like to get recommendations for copolymer if any of you use it.

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I have been using Sufix ProMix Co-Polymer line in clear blue florescent for about 15 years now since it first came out and I love it. It's abrasive resistant for the most part,  Low stretch, great knot strength, almost zero line memory and shows up great in black lights. I use to buy it in 1 lb 4000 yard spools of it back when I fished a lot. Still have spools of it left in refrigerator in carport since am not fishing as much as I use to and have it hid from Son In law and make him buy his own cause thats all he uses also.............JMHO

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Toobie - I use it for jerkbait applications.  I like the fact it's buoyant.  The floating line allows me to detect those subtle bites I often missed w/ fluoro.  Yes, it has more stretch but that works to my advantage in jerkbait presentations.  Gives the fish a little more time to get the bait good, prevents me from pulling it away from the fish.  I'm experimenting w/ it as leader material for c-rigs.  Not enuff data points yet to offer an opinion.

I use P-Line fluorclear.  Have had no issues w/ it.  Very durable, supple.

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I use the youzri copolymer line on mid to deep CBs and SBs. Works for me. No experience with the others but am sure they would work as well. 

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19 hours ago, trackertxw175 said:

In my opinion, there's more stretch with co-polymer than with fluorocarbon. 

This

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https://swiftflyfishing.com/blogs/news/15472069-cutting-through-the-bullshit-the-mono-vs-fluoro-debate is an interesting read.

Note the "received wisdom" mentioned.    I'm doing a bit of research for a marketing program.  

There seems to be a lot on the subject of fishing line written and very little independent testing. 

I am going to try some Izorline.  Regardless of stretch pros or cons, I personally don't care for Fluorocarbon even though I will use the remaining Red Label I have now.

Hopefully we all get our line stretched by a big bass!  

Did find this interesting:

  • Sunline is the largest line only manufacturing company in the world---Japan
  • 187 employees

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From  http://www.tackletour.com/reviewsufixdna.html

Copolymer is a product of copolymerization, which is a chemical reaction in which two or more molecules combine to form a larger molecule that contains repeating structural units, or in other words the combination of two or more monomers to create a copolymer.  The outcome of this process results in a material that has many more benefits than a solo substance.  The copolymer fishing line becomes more abrasion resistant, have a lower stretch factor, higher tensile strength, higher impact and greater shock resistance, and much more.

Not sure, but the view independent tests I've found all claim less stretch than nylon. seems the best benefit is better abrasion resistance. The marketing guru's have tried to leave the impression that monofilament is only nylon, a ploy to gussy up the copolymar and fluorocarbon sales.  Monofilament refers to protrusion and all 3 are monfiliment.  We'll save that for a cold winter day LOL

Not all fishing lines, either category, are created equal.  Sometimes it's true---we get what we pay for!

Kinda tit for tat.  As for me, verdict is still out!    And thanks for all the replies

 

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I use p-line C21 clear copolymer for almost everything. Its cheap, very strong & fairly abraision resistant. Tackle warehouse has bulk spools of 750 to 900yds for 7.99 to 8.99. Can't beat it. A 300yd spool is $4.99 most places. Only thing i don't use it for is topwater & heavy duty flipping. I do use the 20lb for flipping in clear water tho. Been using it for 5+ yrs with no complaints. 

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I don’t like fluoro either Tubejig, though I may try the Seaguar soon on a crank rig. I do love braid though, not only because it last freaking forever, but to me the hooks almost set themselves, so I don’t have to worry about slack and stretch as much. My .02 on that off topic subject, though. 

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Braid has it;s place, lot of folks like it. I enjoy reading about other guy's experiences with products.  Fluorocarbon is very popular as well. Just wanted input from this site.

Hope you like the Seaguar.

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I cannot add anything to the copolymer conversation as I've never used it. As I've said on here before, I'm a huge fan of braid. Took me a long time to get on the train, but I'm a believer. Use flouro as leader to braid and for crankbaits. It is not very abriasion resistant. Seaguar red label & abraz-x have been the best I've tried. Sunline was not very good for me, nor was trilene, p-line or BPS brand. Could've been bad spools or something. But, I digress. Good linked info Tubie.....good luck with your sales pitch. Holler if I can help.

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10 hours ago, SteveHTN said:

I don’t like fluoro either Tubejig, though I may try the Seaguar soon on a crank rig. I do love braid though, not only because it last freaking forever, but to me the hooks almost set themselves, so I don’t have to worry about slack and stretch as much. My .02 on that off topic subject, though. 

Steve - try the Seaguar Abras-X (I like 12#).  Casts very smoothly, pretty tuff line.  Holds up well in brush, rock, other chunky stuff.

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I really like the pline cx I think it is, but it's super thin, plenty strong and blacklight visible. Aside from braid that's about all I use anymore.

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